H7 3rd to 5th conversations of Jorge Barrenechea with an Ummite

3rd CONVERSATION WITH AN UMMITE - Jorge Barrenechea, 21 March 1987, from 18:25 to 18:30, duration 5'

The call comes when Juan and Camila are at the house (calle Goya, 57), in the midst of other events.
The UMMITE asks me whether I have received by post the letter he had announced he would send me on 17 March (I had gone out). As it had not reached me, they told me they would intervene by telephone. He tells me they were going to try to contact José Luis Jordán, Joaquín Martínez, Luis Jiménez Marhuenda and Dionisio Garrido. The line will be established within 2 or 3 days (I believed I understood).

At 18:40 I call J. L. Jordán (I had tried to contact the others, but they had not answered). J. L. Jordán tells me the Ummites had just called him.

At 19:40 José Luis calls me again to tell me that the Ummites, through a young woman of 30 with an Andalusian accent, had made him go down to the entrance of his building to hand him an envelope with a report intended for Rafael Farriols. At that moment Juan Aguirre was already with me and we tell José Luis to take a taxi and come with the envelope. He arrives at 19:30 (sic). We begin to read the report at full speed, which took us two hours.

Carmenchu and I went to dinner with the family at Biers. I was "laid low" by a migraine.

Sunday 22 March 1987

Around 10 a.m. I call Juan Aguirre and then Juan Domínguez to discuss the decision to meet in the afternoon to read the report to the rest of our brothers. So we share out the calls; then I call Villagrasa, whom I tell to call me back at midday to confirm the time; he tells me to bear in mind that I must not divert the calls on my telephone. I tell Juan Aguirre and finish making the calls. At that moment Juan Domínguez does not answer.

My wife and I, after 1 p.m., go to the Retiro and come back at 14:30.

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4th CONVERSATION WITH AN UMMITE - Jorge Barrenechea, 22 March 1987, from 14:45 to 15:15, duration 30'

He asks me whether we have received the letter-report intended for Rafael Farriols. I tell him yes.
He asks me whether we have doubts about the instructions they give in the letter. I tell him it was not clear whether we should read the report to Villagrasa, Borràs and Mejorada. He tells me NO. I ask whether I may read it to my nephew Julián. He tells me yes, but not to photocopy it.

Afterwards he agrees to answer some questions. First he tells me they were counting on RECORDING the afternoon meeting.

TELEKINESIS: In the vast majority of cases it is a fraud. But IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

PSYCHOPHONY: A very different origin, but the same: in every case it is a deception.

WHAT BECAME OF CHRIST'S BODY? It is a case of frontier effect. The body was transformed into negative mass (electric mass). It went to the -M Universe. The Gospel phrase "the Word was made flesh" is a scientific truth.

The proof that a UMMOWOA, a CHRIST, are sent by God is that, when they die, they disappear. It is a myth that the body of Jesus is ALIVE. The Gospels distort the truth, distort reality. It is a story based on traditions and oral accounts. Thus, the Ascension is a myth.

ASCENSION: Another myth. The greatly exaggerated cult of the Virgin is the product of a guilt complex of Judaeo-Christian civilisation brought about by its MISOGYNY. But the sooner you forget the Virgin, the better you will treat your women.

TELEPORTATION: The condensation of mass brought about by an adjacent universe is possible, but in practice ALL CASES are impostures.

BLACK HOLES: They do not exist. What you call black holes are neutron stars. The terrestrial author "Raz Tuarkill" (?) describes it well. A frontier effect occurs. All the mass M becomes -M in the other universe. The energy becomes the square root of -M, which is the imaginary mass in the other universe. It cannot exist in our universe. For example, in the constellation of Cygnus... which may be mistaken for a black hole.

WHAT IS PRAYER FOR? For nothing and for a great deal. This answer is given to the question of your brother Luis Jiménez Marhuenda.

THE SHROUD OF TURIN: It is authentic. It is that of Jesus of Nazareth. It is his linen cloth or shroud. There is no miracle. It was preserved by the believers and is very well conserved.

ALTERNATIVE MEDICINES: In healing by magnetic passes the results are temporary, not permanent. (This question was passed on to me by our sister Hiltrud Nordin.) Magnetotherapy is effective, but no more can be said without calling your science into question.

WHICH PASSAGES OF THE GOSPELS DO YOU CONSIDER UNHISTORICAL? The Crucifixion and the Resurrection are greatly distorted, in the sense that his appearances to the Apostles after his disappearance from the tomb are myths.

We do not wish any more questions.

(The conversation has ended)

I asked this UMMITE his name - he is the same one who also called me on the 11th and the 17th (2nd time) - but he told me that for security reasons he could not say it.

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5th CONVERSATION WITH AN UMMITE - Jorge Barrenechea, 23 March 1987, no information

He called me again on Monday 23 March.

On the afternoon of Sunday 22 March we had held a meeting to read the report with Rafael Farriols, attended by Juan and Camila, Juan Aguirre, J. L. Jordán, Garrido, Carmen and myself. At the last moment it was decided that Julián should not attend, although he had begun the meeting with us.